Dharmakara wrote on Aug 2, 2008 2:35 PM:
" Google? I've been director of the Bodhicaryavatara Historical Project (BHP) since its inception and the original founder of Mahabodhi IP, so the last thing that I or anyone else here needs to do is "google" you.
It might be appropriate for you and other members of the pro-Tibetan camp to take a cue from the openning verse of a song by The Police:
Every breath you take,
Every move you make,
Every bond you break,
Every step you take,
I'll be watching you.
It might also be beneficial for those unaware of the true history of Tibetan politics to read Friendly Fuedism:
www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Of course, Lobsang Khechok can resort to McCarthy Era tactics and label everything that's critical of his own position as propaganda of communist sympathizers, casting the wide net which the pro-Tibetan camp loves to throw around, but, when it comes to Chinese communism or Tibetan theocracy, many of us are uncomfortable with choosing between the lessor of two evils, especially when neither side is willing to act with a degree of accountability and transparency. "
Jorge wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:07 PM:
" Khechok,
Thank you for the compliment, but I don't compare to Bhante Dharmakara. He's one of the first Mahayana monks accepted by the Theras in Bangladesh and a respected member of the Buddhist Brotherhood Assembly in Chittagong, so you might want to lay off the Chinese propagandist induendo because their opinion of the mixing of politics and Buddhism is the same as his.
You might want to read an editorial he wrote a while ago because most of us know about the deceptions and fraud within Tibetan Buddhism -
http://www.mahabodhi.net/gordon_thomas.htm "
Khechok wrote on Aug 2, 2008 11:34 AM:
" Is Jorge and Dharmakara same person? You did a google search and you think you are smart. Wrong.
I have seen a few of like you, foreigner Chinese propagandists over the years who are on the fringe and have absolutely no credibility except from the PRC government and as a mouthpiece in the west.
Tibetans don't really have a deep hatred towards Chinese people as I am sure you have with your Tamil compatriots. Infact some of our best personal friends are Chinese. The problem is with the communist, totalatarian government who have brainwashed millions and that's the challenge we have to see some truth from the Tibetan side. Tibetans are fighting for freedom against this oppressive regime and to retain its unique and indepth cultural tradition. That's also the tradition that is attracting so many Chinese to discover their past relationship. This is very positive movement.
I feel pity for you born as Buddhist but for whatever reason now feel deep hatreds towards the popularity and respect that Tibetan buddhists are gaining in the world, including amongst millions of Chinese followers.
I suggest you read this article and I am sure you will find some of your gurus and new material for your baseless attack against Tibetans. I am not going to engage in a debate with you as clearly you are not sincere and have some hidden agenda. Good bye and good luck. I only wonder why you were born buddhists and now what ...?
Running Dog Propagandists
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=21945&article=Running-Dog+Propagandists+-+Jamyang+Norbu&t=1&c=4
I would suggest to everyone to watch Buddha's warrior about the Tibetan struggle for freedom this Saturday and Sunday on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/siu/ "
Dharmakara wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:56 PM:
" In December of 1965, Gyalo Thondup (the Dalai Lama's brother) met with members of the US Department of State and the topic of whether Tibet had actually ever been independent of China came up.
Clearly there were problems with this claim even back then, especially since Thondup stated at this same meeting that it would be best to avoid the question of past independence, that instead it would be better to rally support for the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people in general.
Source: Department of State, Central Files
www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html "
Jorge wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:53 PM:
" No, it's not a legitmacy question of China's alone. Many people have questioned this. What's next, should the world give them Mongolia and Bhutan? "
veracity wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:09 PM:
" It is time for international intervention on the Tibet issue.
Politicians, form every country, and for five decades, have rung their hands in public over the atrocity of the illegal Chinese occupation, but never shown the least bit if courage to make a tangible impact.
Time is fast running out for Tibet under the perverse policies of the occupying Chinese.
Now time has come for righteous politicians from the so called civilized nations to bring this issue to the UN, and as a first step force China to accept at least some semblance of accepted international human rights standards, all of which theyre signatories to.
Every self respecting nation should immediately:
Declare Tibet an occupied nation.
Recognize the Tibetan Government in exile.
Force China to cease its illegal occupation through intense, coordinated international pressure.
Postulate the issue before the UN and bring about resolutions to the same effect.
The Dalai Lamas good intentions are being exploited to the full by the CCP and made a mockery of, by resorting to puerile berating of his HH and questioning his legitimacy.
The legitimacy question is Chinas alone.
This anachronistic, colonial and thoroughly racist empire is doomed to failure; they rose by, and just manage to hold onto power at the barrel of the gun.
Remove the gun, and with it evaporates their raison d'tre, and their perceived legitimacy arising from it.
http://one-just-world.blogspot.com/2008/07/letter-to-hu-jintao.html "
Dharmakara wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:13 PM:
" The Buddha said, "I allow you fish and meat that are quite pure in three respects: if they are not seen, heard or suspected to have been killed on purpose for a monk. But, you should not knowingly make use of meat killed on purpose for you," so to ignore this could be seen an outward sign of moral and ethical ineptitude, especially if one is hiding behind the the written letter of any given precept and refuses to recocognize the spirit in which it was first established.
The Armour of Peace, as Acharya Shantideva is refered to, stands firmly opposed to all hungry ghosts who have lost their way in the dark of night, those who claim to walk with the Bodhisattva spirit, but with deceit in their hearts they walk walk a path of greed and violence, bringing harm to those they vowed to liberate, which includes all living creatures.
And as for Vajrayana's authenticity, there is no practice of the Dharma without the practice of virtue and no amount of empowerments, empty rituals or ceremonies, not even expedient means, will ever change this. "
Lin Zi Yi wrote on Aug 1, 2008 5:57 AM:
" Just to put this article in the right place given its origin of conditions, one line makes no sense whatsoever:
"Perhaps he is lacking in the faith or deeper understandings of compassion, non-attachment in general and non-attachment to the material in specificity..."
Speaking on non-attachment, you seem to be so attached to your own emotional views on the DL, that you are completely shocked about someone else's comments.
-They are simply comments, and are empty, have no substance, origin. You are simply chasing tree leaves in the wind by writing this article and displaying your "shocked" concerns.
Secondly, on the "non-attachment" that you feel you understand... Tibetans as well as the DL seem to have a lack of non-dual cultivation, for they are still "fighting" for independence, when principles of non-attachment and acceptance of one's own caused outcomes are spoken of in numerous sutras.
Take responsibility for your own outcomes. Find the root cause of them, and put down the attachments, afflictions from the source.
Do not forsake the roots for the branches, which is what the "Tibetan Independance movement" seems to be doing. They do not see the causes of their "suffering", only the outcomes and their greed for a different outcome, and the anger for not getting it...which led, leads, to ignorant/deluded thinking, actions, and lifestyles.
China is there. They have been there since the Mongolians...Fight with the Mongolians for moving through Tibet, not the Han, Manchurians, or any other ethnic group of the many in mainland China.
Accept what is, and be good humans, not fight back, and whine, yell and scream bad things about other people. Look for the root cause of your outcomes and cut the afflictions at the source, not at the branch. "
Dharmakara wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 PM:
" Khechok... Lobsang Khechok? And you have the nerve to talk about apologists, sympathizers, and propaganda without a shread of evidence?
If I'm correct, that you are one and the same, then I'd like you to show your true spirit and identify yourself as a member of the exile community who lives in the West, one who follows the Dalai Lama around like a lost puppy dog, adopting a spirit of denial whenever confronted with the truth. "
JM Lee wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 PM:
" I have to say, I feel that this criticism of Mr. Wineke goes a bit too far. As for the comments, it is clear that Jorge is unconvinced of Vajrayana's authenticity and uses that against the Dalai Lama. However, it is probably one of those misunderstandings that arose from tantric images and so forth. Have a closer look at the scriptural basis of the practices and you will very clearly see the Buddha's teachings in them. As Lama Tsong Khapa said, the three principal aspects of the Buddhist path are renunciation, bodhichitta and emptiness, counteracting the three poisons of attachment, hatred and ignorance.
As for the accusation of the Dalai Lama being a bad Buddhist due to his meat consumption, that is a very ignorant view of Buddhist ethics. The only requirement for vegetarianism is within the Brahma Net Sutra Bodhisattva vows and the Tibetan lineages uphold Asanga's bodhisattva vows, so the monks are doing no wrong. Furthermore, the Dalai Lama's private kitchens and the three major Gelug monasteries as well as Kagyu monasteries are all vegetarian. As for Chinese respect and tolerance of Buddhism in Tibet, I have to disagree. I suggest you read this - www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=46,6904,0,0,1,0 "
Dog Meat Eater Monk wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:46 PM:
" To be a devoted buddist in China or India, it is necessary to be a vegetarian since a buddist has compassions for other living things and human. A buddist also wants to be detached from worldly desires such as sex, fame and wealth. A buddist will not lie.
But look at Dalai Lama, he is a jet set Hollywood kind of guy. Very active in politics of hate and sprading misinformation. He is a meat eater and so are his followers, monks included.
One huge lie from the Dalai camp is that the Chinese persecute buddism believers. There must be several hundred million Chinese who are buddists to certain degree. The famous Shaolin Temple is a buddist temple. Chiness spent substantial resource to restore Tibetan monasteris, literature. There are more than two thousand Han or Tibetan Chinese Tibetologists (scholars in Tibet history, culture, religion) who restore and protect Tibetan civiliaztion.
There is a chinese saying describing hypocites pretend to be spiritual and compassionated but are closet evil doers. They call them dog meat eating monks.
What kind monks are the Dalai Lama monks?
How dare the former colonial powers of the west decimated the people of color to criticize the Chinese who have protected and helped all the mionrity people incuding Jews in the Chines history? "
Jorge wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:37 PM:
" FRUS 1964-68 Vol. XXX, a declassified collection from the American government, speaks for itself -
http://www.intellnet.org/documents/700/040/744.html "
Jorge wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM:
" A Chinese ulta-nationist or a leftist Moa believer? Is this the best Khechok can come up with? Unlike most people who comment, I spent most of my childhood in Colombo and was raised Buddhist, so I've had more than enough experience with monks who get involved in politics and continue to pervert the Dhamma. "
Peace On Earth wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM:
" Dalai Lama is a CIA agent. Do a Google search on Dalai Lama and CIA, you will get a lot of information from NEW YORK Times and other sources.
Most of the accusations againt Chinese government are pure lies appears to be orchestrated by CIA, Hollywood and major news media. Chinese have been helping Tibetans a lot.Tibetan government currently is run by Tibetans as autonomous state. They reject Dalai Lama and followers whose minds have been infected by the foreign hate and racist virus.
Wineke is an objective writer, he asked the right questions many have missed. "
Khechok wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:37 PM:
" Jorge's knowledge on Buddhism and Bon seem limited. As the saying goes little knowledge is dangerous or buddhists call it ignorance. A little research he mentioned seemed to be from left-leaning, Chinese government apologists/sympathizers and propaganda that have no shred of evidence. I'd like Jorge to show his true color as someone of Chinese ultra-nationalists or perhaps some remnants of odd leftist Moa believer. "
Jorge wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:18 PM:
" Unfortunately too many defer to the "spectacle", just as Dionys Murphy and others defer to the modern mass media packaging of the Dalai Lama's message. Murphy's statements show just how ignorant people are when caught in the rapture of spectacle. A little bit of unbiased research into the Dalai Lama would have uncovered an angry young man who used harsh rhetoric when the CIA ceased to give him money. A little more research would show that the Dalai Lama has not only put words into the mouth of the Buddha that were never spoken, more than on a few occasions, but also that the majority of what passes itself off as Tibetan Buddhism has very little to do with Buddhism, but more to do with Bon. "