To: John Doe wrote on Dec 6, 2007 8:45 AM:
" Whiners?? How about, village residents that have any opinion? BIG DIFFERENCE!! "
john doe wrote on Dec 5, 2007 8:48 PM:
" Well the whiners that want it to stay don't have to whine and complain anymore. They reversed the decision at last nights meeting. "
Get Back to Work wrote on Dec 5, 2007 1:11 PM:
" Yah. Terry's mother passed away three years ago. That wasn't very nice. "
Terry Hanson wrote on Dec 5, 2007 12:39 PM:
" Thanks, Mom. I knew I could count on your support. "
Supper Whistle wrote on Dec 5, 2007 12:33 PM:
" Hey non-natives who are complaining about the siren... GO HOME!! Leave OUR hometown and its traditions alone.
Children crying???? Oh come on.
Thank you, Terry, for being the ONLY good guy left to stand up for us. Keep it going. We need you. "
Something's missing here wrote on Dec 5, 2007 8:48 AM:
" In response to "Done Right" If those "against" the siren were so diligent in their preparations for taking this to the Village Board by communicating, researching and soliciting the community for their support, then where was the news coverage on this? Why didn't the Coulee News pick this up on their radar screen? Where were you Coulee News? If you had printed just one article on this issue BEFORE the Village Board meeting, then those "in support" of keeping the siren, could have had a chance to contact their elected representatives. And why couldn't the Village Board have tabled the issue to allow for press coverage in order to get more input from those who elected and/or hired them? The problem here is that the Village Board circumvented public input and appears to have listened to the business sector.
P.S. The siren is indeed a great Mayberry RFD
tradition and I love it! "
Done right wrote on Dec 4, 2007 5:59 PM:
" Hundreds of people signed their names supporting the end of the daily testing, when approached, why didn't those in favor of keeping it speak? Let's see them at a village board meeting, or better yet, at the Village Park at 6:00 every night.
The people who drew up the petition had a concern for their community, families and neighbors,sought input from village residents,and followed the proper procedure in approaching the village board. To attack involved citizens on a personal level for being active citizens of West Salem is shameful. "
NoFreeLunch wrote on Dec 4, 2007 5:09 PM:
" Now can we work on the siren in Bangor that goes off at 7am noon 6pm and 10pm? "
seriously? wrote on Dec 3, 2007 6:35 PM:
"
I've only lived in West Salem for the past couple of years, living here I have seen alot of the great traditions in West Salem and a great amount of pride for the community. I believe West Salem is a great place to live, and being only in high school I must say that I am exteremly dissapointed in the community members that think they have the right to point fingers at those who have a "Thick Wallet." My family is not one of the most wealthy families in the West Salem, and I have seen the contributions that the people who are just "Flexing their wealth muscles to get what they want", are also the people who flex their wealth muscles to help others, and work hard to make West Salem the great place it is. What difference does it make how much money someone has? This isn't what the whole siren debate is about. I happen to live very close to the siren and believe me, it's hard to see little children at the park run in and scream, because they are frightened, or the harshness of the siren has hurt their ears. It is rediculously loud, and it is a proven fact that the siren is over the decible that causes hearing loss. So I'm thinking in a community as warming and welcoming as West Salem has been to me and my family I believe that it is very dissapointing to read adults being so immature about the whole debate. Who said that only two people decided that the siren was a nuisance? There were several hundred people who signed petitions that were sent around. Things dont have to get personal, but just a question if ....what did u do to get your voice heard? Did you send out a petition saying to keep the siren? Did you attend any Village Meetings? I understand testing the whistle every month, or two weeks or even every week, but having it sound every day, we become numb to it, so what happenes if there really is a storm and it just so happens to occur around six o'clock..how many people do u think are really going to pay attention? I know when I hear the siren I don't think much of it, and that's what I think is the biggest problem of all, it's numbing. It's not uncommon to have a storm here or there and there are often times when it can be very sever, I know if there is a storm that has potential of a tornado I want to be aware of it, not just that it's six o'clock. "
TO WS RESIDENT wrote on Dec 3, 2007 3:53 PM:
" How come the petition was never turned in to the board? I suspect don and eric could not get enough signatures to support their cause is the reason. a referendum question can easily be put on the April election ballot without costing anybody anything extra. At least there would be something interesting on the ballot to mark your arrow on for once. "
Ignore it? Don't ignore it? wrote on Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM:
" I grew up on the Island, not half a block from the siren at Clinton and Bainbridge, and have relatives and friends who were on the Fire Department crews. To me, when a siren sounds, there's either an emergency or it's 11:00 on the first Monday of a month. The Island's siren never sounded unless there was a fire. Living in West Salem now, I find the daily sirens at 5:58 PM annoying.... Is there an emergency, or isn't there??? If not, don't blow the darned thing! You don't see the Police driving around town with their sirens blaring just for the fun of it, do you? "
Hey Don wrote on Dec 3, 2007 12:17 PM:
" Maybe your employees use the siren to let them know when it is time to go home on Tues., Wed, and Fri. And on Monday's and Thursday's they know they only have 2 hours left in which to sell a car. Let them keep the siren and turn it into a contest for the dealership. "
JOLLY ROGER wrote on Dec 3, 2007 10:34 AM:
" SOMETIMES THE THINGS WE SAY ARE A DIRECT REFLECTION UPON OUR INTELLIGENCE - OR LACK THERE OF. I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT WEST SALEM HAS MORE WORTHY TRADITIONS THAN A SIREN? "
WSResident wrote on Dec 2, 2007 9:20 PM:
" Quote: It would have been interesting to know or hear how the rest of the community feels about the 6 p.m. daily testing, said Schnitzler after the meeting. :Unquote
That coming from the village administrator and published in the paper is pretty tacky on both of their parts. Gee, maybe that should have been addressed before the board voted on it. There was several copies of a petition passed around for the siren to stop blowing. Eric Bauer went to the meeting presented it because he is on the business assn. and there was alot of downtown businesses that signed the petition. There was also several businesses around the west side siren that signed the petition also. The board never asked to see the petition after the issue was raised, they just voted 6-1 to stop blowing the siren. A good call if you ask me. "
yikes wrote on Dec 2, 2007 1:25 AM:
" The strongest argument anyone has for why the sirens should stay is that it's tradition?? A *referendum* should be held over a tradition? Wow, if you've got time to whine about that, you've got it pretty good in West Salem. As someone who grew up in a city that sounded a siren only once a month, trust me, you guys will get through this. Buy watches. "
Siren Hater wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:44 PM:
" I to have grown up in the village and have always thought that the siren was a dumb thing. If for a civil issue than let it be civil issue. For those that need it for their children so they know what time it is, how about maybe a watch to use, just a thought. Also have had many friends from out of town say how they tought how stupid of a thing it was so not all people think that its cute. We did elect the village board members, no live with it. "
Tradition wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:31 PM:
" To those of you who say we grew up here and have grown to love it because it is a tradition, well lets remind you all that when it was a tradition there was only one siren. Also if you want the tradition to continue where were you to help fund the repair of the whistle, I didn't vote for the village to purchase it. And if it has to do with the Brenengen's those of you who are so narrow minded, the Brenengen's have put alot back into West Salem and the Boys and Girls club. Do your kids use it or know somebody that does? Did you bother to take the time and help ? How much did you donate ? But lets get past the "good old boy" traditions. It is no longer 1974 !!! "
W S Lifer wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:22 PM:
" The argument that this is making people deaf is bunk at its best. I work for a rock crushing company and the noise our equipment makes is much greater then the siren and by law we are aloud to be exposed up to 70 percent of a 10 hour shift without any long term damage. I will be at the public meeting with that info. So Don please come with something better than that. Bottom line the new siren wich is located nere your dealership bothers you for 30 seconds a night and you want to flex you wealth muscle and get what you want. "
The Simple Solution wrote on Nov 30, 2007 9:53 PM:
" Yes they should make there own decisions, but not based upon personal beliefs. As an elected official youre responsible for representing the majority. When unsure about the popular beliefs of your constituents, a responsible leader will make attempts to meet with as many people as the can to form a proper decision. This is where we are now. The board members made a choice some don't agree with and now that there is disparity. They should hold a town hall meeting to hear from both sides and keep or reverse the decision based the side with bigger support. Its cheap, simple and fair! "
To 8:00 PM wrote on Nov 30, 2007 9:10 PM:
" If you want a legal referendum, then yes, it needs to be run as any voting day is run, which is far different than just having the village employees who are "on the clock" collecting votes from whomever stops in. "
To: For the love wrote on Nov 30, 2007 8:00 PM:
" Are you kidding me, why in the world would it take thousands of dollars for VILLAGE employees to be available for votes to be dropped off? Then those same employees know to count and should be able to count them. They are on the clock for the VILLAGE, why not give them an additional project for the VILLAGE!! A VILLAGE is more than wealthy business owner's, they should never be allowed to make decisions without the VILLAGE'S opinion! If it weren't for us the VILLAGE, they wouldn't be on a VILLAGE board!! Takes more than a few to make a VILLAGE, LET US BE HEARD!! "
To the 12:45 p.m. poster, you are wrong, wrote on Nov 30, 2007 6:39 PM:
" Your elected representatives should follow the will of the people, but they can and should use their own judgement when making decisions. They don't have to poll every citizen to decide how to vote on an issue. Their decisions are based on what they feel is best overall, not who can cry loudest or who has the thickest wallet. Again, I say please run for public office if you feel strongly that an injustice was done to the people of WS. But please, please don't suggest that a referendum should be held because an issue is an emotional one. That would be micromanagement of your local government. There's already enough of that in your village (schools) without adding more. "
Re: For the love wrote on Nov 30, 2007 12:45 PM:
" We elect people to represent what the majority wants. Not the minority that has a thick wallet. "
Amen wrote on Nov 30, 2007 12:41 PM:
" Monthly siren tests are good enough plenty of other places. Those of us who work late downtown and people who live nearby are subjected to this blast every night. When you're up close, it's beyond annoying. If people want to call their kids home, why don't they get a dinner bell (which is what my folks had), or you could send a text message to the kids. Ah, the blue tooth generation. "
For the love wrote on Nov 30, 2007 12:27 PM:
" of God, people, it is a SIREN!! It's not the 3rd World War! You don't get to have a referendum on whether or not to blow a siren! Are you even listening to how goofy that sounds?? Do you know what the cost of a referendum is? Thousands of dollars. Are you willing to put up that money? Do you realize that you ELECT people to make decisions? That's what these people did, like it or not. Your elected representatives made a decision. Your alternative is to run against them the next time there is an election. Until then, put on your big boy/girl pants and deal with it. And if you really need something to occupy your time, volunteer at the Vet's Hospital, or just do something nice for someone. It'll take your mind off the lack of sirens. "
Auto Pilot wrote on Nov 30, 2007 12:16 PM:
" To Lights: I wholeheartedly AGREE!!. If there's such a thing as light pollution, those hideous car dealership lots are second only to the Sun in total lumens output.
Mr. Brenengen, turn off the lights! No later than 10 p.m., I say. Then we can talk about turning off the siren. "
ws citizen wrote on Nov 30, 2007 11:28 AM:
" I completely agree with disappointed. Please change this decision and let the VILLAGE voters decide. But let's have all the facts and stories before we decide. It is a time-honored tradition and some traditions are just worth keeping. I would think that some business owner would be chagrined at all the response so far and embarrassed at how their businesses disrupt OUR lives but we tolerate them as good citizens. I would ask the businesses to think about being good neighbors for the sake of all of us. "
Observer wrote on Nov 30, 2007 10:25 AM:
" This should have been voted on in a referendum. Of course, The Brenengen's run a lot of things in the town and area from behind the scenes. They are pretenders as Godly "do-gooders" while, in essence, they are the greediest, most arrogant people around. They will kill you with kindness and then stab you in the back, if it suits their best interest or bank account. The siren serves a purpose for different people as per the posted information listed. Primarily, for testing use as a civil defense warning system. Others have grown to use it as a signal of quitting time, time to go home, whatever. Ironically, there is a lot of noise pollution that is emitted from Brenengen's auto dealerships (2) to with the blaring PA system. Some things are just over-looked by village officials who are charmed by the wrong people. "
Disappointed wrote on Nov 30, 2007 8:03 AM:
" I may be in the minority, but I am sad to see it go. I also grew up in West Salem and always knew the the whistle was the signal to go home. In fact, my kids and their friends also use the whistle as a signal to go home for supper. It's sort of a fun tradition to pass on. I have been in the park at 6:00, and yes, the whistle can be annoying. There are other noises that are also annoying, like the train whistles, races, pager system at Brenengen's that we have to listen to, but you learn to put up with them.
I think the best thing in this situation would have been to vote on it. Let the citizens of West Salem decide what they want instead of just listening to a few. That's what really disappoints me. "
farmboy wrote on Nov 30, 2007 7:41 AM:
" I don't know much about meteorology. If its cloudy, it might rain; if the sun is shining, probably won't rain for a while; if it is cloudy and windy, then there is a sudden calm we're in for it.
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to farmboy wrote on Nov 29, 2007 5:43 PM:
" Not everyone is familiar with meteorology. Also there can be misleading calms, before a storm. Your answer is a feeble attempt at insulting someone asking a honest question. Luckily the poster two posts above yours was able to give a much better answer without being rude. You should take notice! "
Will miss it wrote on Nov 29, 2007 4:49 PM:
" Commenting on 'Chew on this,' years ago, when there was a fire or a tornado warning, the siren would go off, it was not 30 seconds it was about 2 minutes long, so the residents of the town could hear the difference and know that there was something serious at hand and I am pretty sure a person could tell the difference between 30 seconds and 2 minutes! When friends visit or people are in WS for an event and they hear the whistle and ask what it is all about...and we tell them, they think that is one of the coolest things and make comments about their town should have one too...I am very upset about this decision and yes, I think it should definitly be voted on by the community members of the town...not just 2 people and the board...and I am sorry, but I live across the street from the village park also, I can hear the race track from there...so are we really going to stop the races from happening too? No, I am sure they won't stop...all you head honchos need to take a look at what the town of WS is and what the town means to the people...not just the businesses...one other thing, I am pretty damn sure that none of the brenengen dealerships have lost ANY busy over the traditional whistle...if that's the dealers excuse, then I want to see the documentation and the proof of lost business! And if all you other people can't handle the whistle, I am sorry, but get over it...it is a WS tradition...since 1974...why change it now...? "
Lights wrote on Nov 29, 2007 4:45 PM:
" I think the lights from the car dealers should be shut off at night. I haven't slept in years because the lights are so bright. "
farmboy wrote on Nov 29, 2007 4:40 PM:
" To Chew on this. Try this, look at the sky once in a while to see what the weather is going to do. If you noticed the small things you could feel when the weather is changing and not have rely on the weatherman who can't tell you what it will do in an hour let alone 7 days from now. "
what happened is right! wrote on Nov 29, 2007 4:22 PM:
" I am sure it is impressive to throw out unsubstaniated numbers for decibel levels; it is important to know that the recommendations are about length of time that we are exposed to those levels. A blip too loud here and there is not a problem. It was just a plain uninformed decision. Let's change it back before others start running for all positions up for re-election. Businesses are usually closed by 5:00 pm as well so what say do they have? I for one will rethink shopping in West Salem for auto needs. Feels like bullying to me! "
Wow wrote on Nov 29, 2007 2:25 PM:
" I never though this would be such a big issue. I personally favor this decision;however, it's the board's duty to fairly represent it's citizens. Perhaps they should reconsider or at least put it back on the table for discussion. "
ws citizen wrote on Nov 29, 2007 12:53 PM:
" This is crazy! The siren is what sets West Salem apart and is a long tradition. How does a business owner get to decide and influence the board. I should have known this was on the "docket" but didn't so could not voice my say. In a village such as ours, the people should be able to decide. Noise pollution??? what about the cars. This is getting out of hand when kids can't practice music, dogs can't bark and now the siren has to go. Shame on you to the board and the businesses. You would be here if it weren't for the people. Are you going to complain about the freeway? The fairgrounds? I live near the car dealers and their overhead pages can be heard loud and clear from my house - gee I thing that should stop! When will that be addressed "
6 o'clock siren? wrote on Nov 29, 2007 11:51 AM:
" I have always wondered why the two sirens never went off at the same time? Do the clocks on the east side of West Salem turn to 6 o'clock approx. 2 minutes before the west side?
I am sure Terry will have the answer to this, as he thinks he knows everything else! Thankfully, he is no longer the village president. "
Brenegen wrote on Nov 29, 2007 11:13 AM:
" How many free cars did the village board get from brenegens to vote this out?? this is ridiculous. I agree with the first poster on here. Everyone in the town should have the right to vote on how they feel about this situation. It is a WS tradition and I don't mind it. I can see how it is a nuisance to some people, but I feel everybody should be able to vote on this issue!! "
huh wrote on Nov 29, 2007 9:28 AM:
" guess if you are a brenengen you can get what you want huh?? yet another reason i dont buy cars from you. "
Way to go WS! wrote on Nov 29, 2007 2:12 AM:
" I think it's noise polution at it's best. It's not needed, it's terribly annoying, and it teaches you to ignore the sound. When you hear the siren a couple times a day (like in Bangor), it's OVERKILL! We hear it at noon and at 6pm daily (can't remember if there is a morning siren as well?). Then we also hear it for fire calls. How many times a day must we hear that darn siren? I don't know whether to check my watch, grab a bucket of water, or hide in my basement!!! Yes, I know I am being sarcastic, but come on people! I find NO charm in a sound that makes me want to plug my ears! Couldn't we hear some church bells instead? It's much prettier to listen to...
At least West Salem only had to hear it ONCE a day! "
Chew on this wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:17 PM:
" What happens if there is a tornado coming and it happens to be 6pm? Do we think it's real or a test? Every day it way too much, this is a good call! "
Will miss it wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:40 PM:
" First off, I would like to say that I will miss the whistle...I grew up in West Salem, I grew up with the whistle...to me the whistle was a bit of a 'charm' of the town...to me the whistle symbolized it was 6 o'clock, time to go home for dinner...and we did, growing up, we knew that when the whistle went off, it was time to go home for dinner or for the day. Yea, it is loud and at times annoying, but I have grown with it, when I come home for weekends now, I barely notice that the whistle went off...my 3 year old son, who at first was afraid of the whistle grew with it too, he also now knows that when the whistle goes off, its 6 o'clock. As for non-West Salem or new West Salem residents...get over it, its not a perfect world...are we really going to go around to everyone's town and complain about things and get all 'rituals' if you will changed? The whistle and many other things about West Salem are the reasons that I want to come back to the town...And yet, I understand the reasons for the whistle to stop, and will miss it, and all the memories it brought from growing up in the town. "
What happened? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:58 PM:
" How did two people decide something like the siren was a nuisance and then six people decide this for everybody? How come we weren't given a chance to give our opinion? Maybe we wanted the siren to sound everyday. Maybe 4,000 still want it. Don't we get a voice here? "